Any possibility that this was a concert tom to which someone added the resonant side lugs? I may be imagining both items, but there doesn't appear to be any finish on the glue ring of the replacement tom. In addition, there also doesn't appear to be any indentations where the lower lugs were fastened at the inside, whereas there are noticible ones where the batter side lugs were fastened.

Concert Toms all had the smaller lugs so that drum wasn't ever a concert tom.

I toured the Chicago plant back in the 70's and as a result I'm not particularly surprised when I see this sort of thing on drums from that era. Obviously management tried to build the best drums they could but, as in any FACTORY, there were a lot of people working there and a certain percentage of those people were just mindlessly going through the motions of their particular job in order to collect a paycheck.

Poirot Boucher - wow, that wasn't something that crossed my mind. But it looks like it was not a concert tom. The wrap has a slight fade bottom & tom along rims.

What is really bothering me is that from the wording of the seller & his offering of numerous other toms that have had the same issue tells me that he knew full well what a sack of $(!# this was.

As of late on ebay I've been getting the same mother effing crap sellers claiming item x is FLAWLESS (another snare; case opened/pending) to this & I am at the point where I am going to leave severely well-worded negative feedback (don't like doing & have used sparingly {sometimes sparing no one!}).

It's the top drill hole on the bottom lug that's screwed (sorry). It's irritataing as H EE double-L as ther window for keystone & clear interiors is super small. What I'd like to do is fit it into his lip like that African tribe who enjoy wood discs in the same. Seems reasonable.

The really, really irritating thing is I didn't notice the issue until after removing the lugs & polishing it w/ Novus, thus improving the little .... & to return it now might create some serious Not-returned-in-the-same-condition-bull****e ebay crap for double jeopardy when I am the one not guilty of anything!

Hows that for a g-damn conundrum (O my god, that one was honest to god not on purpose),

Chris

Ah yes, the small lugs on concert toms. Had completely forgotten that, but that does seem to be in my mind now that you mention it K.O.

As for you Hobbs, you've got to cool down man. It is irritating, but don't blow a gasket over this. First of all, inquire if anyone here has that drum you need and maybe this can be put behind you.

even if the shell was misdrilled its a easy fix. i would still start some s**t just because if he sells alot of drums (check out his selling history) then he should of known better.

besides the hole issues, the shell looks too clean, especially on the inside. if its a vintage shell where's the inner shell coating and patina? also, the edges look freshly cut (unless you've been doing work to them)

You are right about it. The edges looks fishy to me, too.

In order to rescue the drum I see only drilling, or expanding the holes to fit the correct position.

Early on I noted the edges since they are far different than the tom from my kit (I thought, Hey, maybe they're cutting edges differently, too?!?). Photos are really difficult to examine in the photo - but thank you for that assessment as now it's going back.

I hear you Boucher (I do get a little excited now & again) - except I HATE to have not only my time wasted but to be taken for a fool. These guys are the worst sort of seller. Me, I would never do a thing like this. I've sold 3 kits worldwide to top drummers & one in the US in the last 2 months to a what I'd consider a top 5 jazz (my top 3) drummer & the only reason they do is I can be trusted - you can see it from the description, the photos & the feedback left afterward that I'm not up to anything. I'm not perfect - but I aim for it because the last thing I want to deal with is a disgruntled buyer.

Chris

email from seller (photos not included):

Enclosed are some examples of common lug alignment on drums from the 40's through the early 70's. These drums were lined up by sight and drilled by hand on a large double bit drill press- the mathematical consistency of their construction was completely dependent on the number of drums being made in the factory at the time. 1940's Slingerlands are always the worst offenders and nearly all examples of Slingerland Student and Radio King split lug drums show un-even lugs. 1960's Ludwigs "post Beatles" are also high on the list as you can see with the four examples we've included. For most, this is just a part of the vintage drum quirkiness. Some collectors will pull the lugs, slightly enlarge the lug holes, then re-align the lugs to be perfectly even. Generally, however, it's a non-issue. Hope this helps, thanks!

Revival Drum Shop

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I myself do NOT consider this a "non-issue"; they knew & didn't disclose. As a collector I would NOT want this even if it were JUST the holes - chris

I purchased a drum from them recently. had a couple of concerns. sent them a message and never got a response at all...

mike

I've put them on my Never Buy From List. Sorry for all the grieve they've given you. It's not right.