I'm not coming to anyones defense.But....didn't he say "I will describe this kit to the best of my ability". This was most likely the best of his abilities. He also said the tilter and the swing were in "working order" not perfect condition. I just think that he never took it apart. With these problems I still feel you got a great deal. Wouldn't the snare alone go for something like that? Maybe should just ask him to pay for shipping. I've dealt with problems like this before. Send me a PM and I'll tell you how to fix the drum.

And also...does that [pedal really look like it would work perfectly?

He also stated that the wrap was not damaged and had no holes...

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That would be enough for me. That wrap is damaged and that drum definitely has an extra hole. If he honestly couldn't see that...well...I don't know how to respond to that one.

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I agree...but, was it hidden under something??? How would he know if he didn't take it off?

Point taken.

I repeat again, i would just come to an agreement with the seller for either a ship refund or some cash back, and call it a day, the return shipping for the buyer will be a black hole, you'll be out the dough and no drums, just chalk it up to be a lesson learned,

All things considered, I would start at $100 refund and go from there.

If the intent of the purchase was to harvest parts to refurbish another cocktail outfit, I think that specific questions about those parts and a request for better pictures of those parts would have been prudent.

I shop for orphan drums frequently to get parts I need, and if I can't tell by the pics offered, I always ask for more. If they don't send them, I don't bid.

It's a bummer that two out of the three things misrepresented are the two things you really need off the kit, but would we be having the same conversation if it were different issues that weren't revealed? I mean there's not a single pic of the interior of either drum, no talk about bearing edges, or if the drums are in round. A lot of bases were left uncovered, but still nobody asked, and bid anyway.

It sux, I know, but a better job could have been done by both parties. Again, I would try for $100, especially for the wrap and the swing arm, seems as if the pedal issue was pictured, and he did say a bracket was missing, so a repair in that area was to be expected.

I sincerely don't mean to offend in any way, that's just how I see it.

Okay, Here's an example. I bought an old ludwig tom a couple months back and took the mount off. Little did I know the mount was partially re-drilled at an angle so his tom would be at a better height. This is a risk we are all willing to take when buying old drums...sometimes a 45 year old drum has a couple problems hidden under the lugs or mounts.