being some what of a br fanatic i noticed this auction at work and thought how does someone have a br kit and not know it fast forward to this morning.I am sitting in my office at home looking at this thread staring up at my br snare collection which i am only missing the vox snare(hope tommy p sells his soon ha ha ) in the middle of these snares is my most prized posseision a album titled " buddy and soul buddy rich big band live in hollywood at the whiskey a go -go" that buddy signed and then took a photo in toronto in 1985 when i was 12 we have all seen this cover br leaning on his 13 " tom case checkout the stenciling of slingerland it matches the auction stenciling on the seat case even the g and e in slingerland being close together while the others are even i am trying to include a picture of the album from a web site mine is in a glass case any thoughts ? steve

Yep, this was talked about on another forum and also a topic on the Buddy Rich web site last year.

On that site they were talking about the exact height of Buddy's Canister Throne, being possibly higher then a standard throne. I will have to go back and see what was talked about to make sure, don't hold me to that statement.

Then again Tommy P. might or might not chime in on this and he could probably give us some topical information.

The only way to know 100% is to see if any _ _ s sweat from the throne top will produce some substantial DNA results.

(This is just a joke everyone and not my normal humor, I was trying to be funny in a sick mental sort of way.)

Have a great weekend everyone!

David

I guess I will have to chime in on this one!

I of course saw this kit when it was listed... and I don't for a minute think it's an actual touring BR kit... emphasis on "touring", and that's where the problem is in my opinion.

Buddy NEVER played a 20" floor tom, and I have a virtual TON of BR media in every format possible... never saw him with a 20"... HOWEVER! ... if this is a BR kit, it would at most have to be one of those that he perhaps played for a clinic/concert, or something of that nature. I do not think he EVER toured with this particular kit. There are so many pictures of Buddy from just about every performance/period, and again, can't say I ever saw a 20" floor tom with any of his kits. And that's a BIG drum... would be hard to miss!

Regarding the WMP Dynasonic: Again, don't think so! Buddy NEVER had any of his Rogers Dynasonics drilled for tone controls/mufflers, let alone two! He most certainly could have "played" this drum I suppose, but again, it's not one of HIS touring drums, and those are the drums that would really be worth some bucks. The serial number does put this drum squarely in 1966 however, and that is a proper BR Dynasonic year. Still, it's not a night to night used drum.

I had an opportunity to purchase an actual Buddy Rich owned/played/performed on Rogers Dynasonic in WMP. THIS drum was the real deal: NO MUFFLER, and extra lacquer on the inside ply, plus, it also had an inscription written by Buddy to the guy he gave the drum to. The autograph is genuine... I have a few of those, and it was easy to compare! The drum sold of course, and for quite a bit of jing as you can well imagine. I did at the time consider re-mortgaging our house, but my wife wouldn't bite! :-) Anyway,

If you like the drums because they're WMP Slingerlands... cool! But don't buy them because they might be Buddy's... I do not believe they are. And if they are, again, they are not a touring kit that he played night to night, of that I am certain. There's just nothing to substantiate that they are! Same goes with the WMP Dynasonic, plus I think this drums value has been extremely compromised with the drilling for TWO tone controls/mufflers. Still,

It will be interesting to watch!

Tommyp

Thank you all for your input!

I could hope it was a Buddy Rich but even the little bit I have read I knew that Buddy did not have tone mufflers installed and had the extra lacquer in his Dyna-Sonics. As far as my interest in the WMP drum set, I would like WMP drum set, it would go with well with the many WMP snare drums I have collect up over the years. I like the idea of trying a 20? Floor Tom also. I have never had one. But what will hold me back on this drum set is that when I reread the description the seller states, ?THIS HAS BEEN STORED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, IT IS DUSTY AND SMELLS A BIT MOLDY? We have a family member that is sensitive and allergic. I have other pieces with this moldy smell and I cannot keep them at the house. I have never found a way to kill the mold and get rid of the smell or the reaction to the item. Do any of you have experience with this?

Thanks

Dave

We've been talking about it here:

http://drumforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=17972

No one seems to think it was his and I saw that throne

with the case on the 'bay awhile back from another seller.

I think this guy is just trying to grab some more cash..

The throne could easily of been buddy's considering it

has the extra padding that he liked.

The kit COULD'VE been Gene Krupa's as he

used the 20" floor tom but it seems just to be

a mismatched player's kit with what could be

buddy's old throne..

Bottom line: Don't bid on it for the buddy rich

reference but it could be a nice kit.

Harrison!

Please read my last paragraph in the post that precedes yours... sound familiar?! :-) Actually, for that matter, read my entire post! :-) I don't think these were Krupa's either. I do completely concur with you on "the seller looking to make a little extra" on the kit! Regardless, it did supply some fuel for the "forum chatter", regardless of what forum it was! And, while I'm thinking of it:

One of the posters on drumforum.org is in error on WHEN Buddy went over to Slingerland... the correct date is the fall if 1967... and then he stayed put until 1976. Being the BR freak I am, I have researched this extensively! It's all fun!

Tommyp

Tommy! I think I've learned to read other posts before

I post my own now! Lol, my bad! At least we agree

with each other. ;)

Good morning, all:

Take a close look at the snare head shot of the Dyna-sonic. The one tone control that is in place is mounted on the snare head side. Another mystery!

Ken

Ken!

Well yeah Ken... that's pretty plain to see! We all noticed it... and ... no mystery really... because ... this isn't Buddy's drum. If it ever "was", it was used for a clinic/concert only, and even that's probably a stretch, but because I wasn't there and didn't see who owned it, we have to mention that it "could have been used" by BR... but I doubt it! Having said that:

Whomever owned this drum is the dill-weed that drilled it for TWO tone controls, and most certainly because they didn't know HOW to properly set-up a Dynasonic snare drum... thus ... TONS of unwanted/misunderstood "vibration" from the snares. The fix? I know... I'll mount another tone control to dampen the resonant/snare side head! Yeah... that's it! Wow. Boggles the mind. Funny thing is, troubles with Dynasonics are much more common than anyone thinks, and it's ALL because no one took the TIME to read the set-up instructions that came with the drum originally!

Tommyp