Sometimes I think a seller opens a new account on eBay under a strange annonymous email address just to up the bid on their own item, notice the bidder has "0" items bought. It's like the seller in an auction bidding on their own item to "help" up the bid.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=220354031569
I have thought that also.
There's no doubt that's happening. But I'll tell you what really makes me ill is all these greedy people on ebay breaking up these great vintage sets and selling them individually. Even worst are the people that dismantle these drums and sell the parts. Where is this going to stop.
I personally believe the kit will bring more money as a complete kit as opposed to selling them piece by piece.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]It's called "shilling".
A dumb and obvious example is when a zero-feedback bidder appears on the bid list, bumping up the bids.
A less-obvious way to do it is to ask a friend who has an account and some feedback to do the same.....[/COLOR]
But I'll tell you what really makes me ill is all these greedy people on ebay breaking up these great vintage sets and selling them individually. Even worst are the people that dismantle these drums and sell the parts. Where is this going to stop.I personally believe the kit will bring more money as a complete kit as opposed to selling them piece by piece.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]I completely agree. basically, these folks are just your most basic, shortsighted sort of merchants.
GOAL ~ make the most $ off of everything you can.
Not much sense talking to them either, they just don't get it. I mean, I have seen really, really rare kits pulled apart and sold in pieces...vintage Trixons in very unique wraps, etc. The sellers even post q's from people begging them to auction the set as a whole. They care only about $.
At this point, truly....if you are in need of, say, 12 vintage tom lugs or a pair of hoops or a drum muffler or a badge by a certain maker....you are often better off just finding and buying an entire beat-up single tom which has all of that stuff...it will come out way, way cheaper than buying the individual parts separately.
I do this all the time....I have a garage full of naked vintage shells as a result.
(wow, I can buy 12 Rogers Beavertail lugs for $65 shipped....or I can buy a 13" Holiday tom which looks, aesthetically, like sh#t...but has 12 lugs, the muffler, the t-rods, the badge, the label, and a hoop.....for $75....)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]It's called "shilling".A dumb and obvious example is when a zero-feedback bidder appears on the bid list, bumping up the bids.A less-obvious way to do it is to ask a friend who has an account and some feedback to do the same.....[/COLOR]
woah.. the deviate-ness there is.
Unfortunately I've had to buy a few items from guys like that in the past. I bought a whole set of shells in original champagne sparkle from a guy, but he sold all of the lugs and everything else separately including the gaskets!
Another time another seller was getting rid of a beautiful green sparkle kit and I only managed to get one of the toms and the floor. The bass drum and other tom went to two other bidders. I felt like crap thinking that this kit hadn't been sold all together to one person.
They just don't care.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]The latter scenario drives me nuts. The kit is in peices, all drums under separate auctions...and one bidder wins, say, the first two of four....but someone outbids him on the remaining tom or two, or snare.
It's just stupid.
Snares, I can understand a little more. Someone may have a kit in the same finish but not a matching snare, so they want just the snare. My Slingy '64 Stage Band was auctioned as a 3-pc and the snare from it was in a separate auction. I nabbed both.
So in these situations the "winners" each get what ?...1/2 of a vintage kit out of it....and now the search continues for the other pieces, same mfr, similar vintage, same color.
It's a bad situation because, when it appears you may take all the pieces and you don't, you only get a partial kit out of it...you're sorta screwed...because, of course, now you gotta pay for the pieces you won, so your money is leavin' you...but you didn't get the payback which you intended (the entire kit)....
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I personally believe the kit will bring more money as a complete kit as opposed to selling them piece by piece.
This is true if there is a buyer who wants the entire kit. In many cases there are far fewer of those, than there are buyers who need a part to complete their existing kit. Think about it: it's not like the seller wants the extra effort of selling in 20 small auctions instead of 1 large one. They do the extra work because it is more profitable.
