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Ajax/Ludwig Last viewed: 9 minutes ago

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An appraiser tells me my Ajax drum has a Ludwig throw. The throw fits perfectly—no extra holes or any signs on the interior drum has been tampered with in any way shape or form. There's a Phillips screw that I know doesn't belong to the drum. So my question is, did Ajax copy the Ludwig throw back in the day, and might this throw be original to the drum? See photos. Thanks.

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Posted on 6 years ago
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Doesn't look ludwig to me

1968 Ludwig Super Classic kit Blue Oyster Pearl
22, 13, 16, 14x5
1968 Ludwig Hollywood kit Blue Oyster Pearl
22, 12, 13, 16
A Zildjian cymbals (50's-70's)
Posted on 6 years ago
#2
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From nowhereman

An appraiser tells me my Ajax drum has a Ludwig throw. The throw fits perfectly—no extra holes or any signs on the interior drum has been tampered with in any way shape or form. There's a Phillips screw that I know doesn't belong to the drum. So my question is, did Ajax copy the Ludwig throw back in the day, and might this throw be original to the drum? See photos. Thanks.

The throw is factory original. The butt plate is not as far as I know, Ajax didn`t use that teardrop lug after the 50`s I think.

The buttplate should show four attachment screws. It looks put on backwards but no holes.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 6 years ago
#3
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The rest of the drum looks factory as well. It`s all there except that plate.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 6 years ago
#4
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Thank you both for the replies. Wonder how they got a butt that was such an exact fit?

Posted on 6 years ago
#5
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Posted this on a Facebook Ajax site. The consensus was that both the throw and the butt were Ajax and original to the drum. They have to be, because it's such a perfect fit. Anyway, the Ajax throw was obviously a clone of a Ludwig P-84. Thanks again for the help.

Posted on 6 years ago
#6
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I have an almost identical snare in the piccolo style, different white pearl finish with the exact same throw and butt and lugs. Was told the entire snare is all original when I bought it. There is also one on Reverb with the same hardware, just a different badge.

No Guru - I just love collecting & learning about vintage drums!

Some of my favorites from the kits in the collection
58 WFL New Yorker Blue Sparkle
67 Ludwig Hollywood Red Psychedelic
69 Ludwig Standard Red Ruby Strata
70's Ludwig BOP "Ringo" Kit

A few of my favorite snares
20's Leedy Black Elite
51 Leedy & Ludwig Knob Tension
58 WFL Buddy Rich Classic Blue Sparkle
63 Walberg & Auge Sea Blue Agave Green Pearl
66 Leedy Shelly Manne Blue Agate Pearl
Posted on 6 years ago
#7
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From CTMichaelV

I have an almost identical snare in the piccolo style, different white pearl finish with the exact same throw and butt and lugs. Was told the entire snare is all original when I bought it. There is also one on Reverb with the same hardware, just a different badge.

Thanks very much. Really appreciated.

Posted on 6 years ago
#8
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From nowhereman

An appraiser tells me my Ajax drum has a Ludwig throw. The throw fits perfectly—no extra holes or any signs on the interior drum has been tampered with in any way shape or form. There's a Phillips screw that I know doesn't belong to the drum. So my question is, did Ajax copy the Ludwig throw back in the day, and might this throw be original to the drum? See photos. Thanks.

If you don’t mind sharing, what did the appraiser value your snare at?

Thanks

Michael

No Guru - I just love collecting & learning about vintage drums!

Some of my favorites from the kits in the collection
58 WFL New Yorker Blue Sparkle
67 Ludwig Hollywood Red Psychedelic
69 Ludwig Standard Red Ruby Strata
70's Ludwig BOP "Ringo" Kit

A few of my favorite snares
20's Leedy Black Elite
51 Leedy & Ludwig Knob Tension
58 WFL Buddy Rich Classic Blue Sparkle
63 Walberg & Auge Sea Blue Agave Green Pearl
66 Leedy Shelly Manne Blue Agate Pearl
Posted on 6 years ago
#9
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From nowhereman

Thanks very much. Really appreciated.

Your drum is all factory and that is one of B&H butt plates. The one I saw was on a B&H Edgeware.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 6 years ago
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