But, on the other hand, I'll agree that IF I ever see a Citrus Mod Jazzette kit that's legit, then all bets are off, AGAIN. WHY? -EXCEPTIONS!!
Again, a super-rare finish also "trumps" other aspects of collectibility, in some cases -especially some finishes. There are collectors who collect JUSt for the finish. It's a different, EXCEPTIONAL, category.
But, on the other hand, I'll agree that IF I ever see a Citrus Mod Jazzette kit that's legit, then all bets are off, AGAIN. WHY? -EXCEPTIONS!!Again, a super-rare finish also "trumps" other aspects of collectibility, in some cases -especially some finishes. There are collectors who collect JUSt for the finish. It's a different, EXCEPTIONAL, category.
Yes, I agree with you O-Lugs but my next question is... what wrap/finish would be considered the super-rare finish for 1970 Jazzette kits? Would it be a Thermogloss finish?
O-Lugs, I know my kit is not perfect but in all your research have you ever seen a black bowling ball wrap Jazzette before? Also have you ever seen one before with the original 3 ply matching Jazzfest snare? And my last question... have you ever seen a transition B/O badge 3 ply snare like mine... I'm asking all these question because, I truly have no clue what I have.
I've seen a snare with the hole for the badge at the keystone level but a blue/olive badge in it. Not in Oyster Black Pearl (bowling ball).
I've got a Jazzette from 1969/70 which has blue/olive badges in the serial numbers in the 76xxxx. This is about right so far as we know from all the recent research*. The changeover still seems to have been 750xxx. Mine has a 12" tom with the hole for the badge at the keystone level but a blue/olive badge in it. Those are the sorts of things which happened at that transition time between keystone and blue/olive badges. At first the blue/olive badges did have serial numbers which went on from 750000, but later there was a period of no serial numbers.
I use a matching Jazzfest but from 1963. All in White Marine Pearl. Jazzette plus Jazzfest works for me too, even if it isn't "catalog" perfect.
* I'm a contributor to a group putting together an updated serial number analysis (including date stamped shells where possible) based on much more data than ever compiled before thanks to eBay.
* I'm a contributor to a group putting together an updated serial number analysis (including date stamped shells where possible) based on much more data than ever compiled before thanks to eBay.
Thanks for the information!
How can I get a copy of your research? Can you tell me anything about my serial number 1029445?
Thanks...
I've sent you a PM regarding the research.
Your serial number is about a 1976-ish number (based on Rob Cook's work), which doesn't sit in the series along with the blank serial number blue/olive badges which are around 1970 (and consistent with that date stamp of yours).
And since Jazzettes are always nice on the eyes:
[img]http://black.net.nz/drums/jazet72.JPG[/img]
You can see that the hole for the 12" tom badge is at the keystone level rather than the blue/olive level. Same deal as your snare.
I've sent you a PM regarding the research.Your serial number is about a 1976-ish number (based on Rob Cook's work), which doesn't sit in the series along with the blank serial number blue/olive badges which are around 1970 (and consistent with that date stamp of yours).
Thanks for the PM and photo! Just like one VDF member stated earlier about Jazzette... that it is very seldom to see a Jazzette without sonething crazy about it... like my 12x18 bass drum serial number being so high and the other B/O drums without any serial numbers at all? So if my serial number is from 1976... when did Ludwig stop/change the clear maple inside?
Yes, I agree with you O-Lugs but my next question is... what wrap/finish would be considered the super-rare finish for 1970 Jazzette kits? Would it be a Thermogloss finish? O-Lugs, I know my kit is not perfect but in all your research have you ever seen a black bowling ball wrap Jazzette before? Also have you ever seen one before with the original 3 ply matching Jazzfest snare? And my last question... have you ever seen a transition B/O badge 3 ply snare like mine... I'm asking all these question because, I truly have no clue what I have.
The answer(s) is (are):
1. Never
2. No, I've never seen a Jazzette kit with a matching Jazz Festival snare drum.....mainly because, when I see a Jazz Festival with a Jazzette kit, I know it must have been custom-ordered in place of the normal Supraphonic
and, thus, can't be considered as a true "matching" snare for a typical or, let's say, "normal" Jazzette. And I state that with no malice whatsoever. I do realize that the evidence is stacked in favor of this particular kit to be something made very specifically for someone and that all the drums seem to belong together, as-is. I am not disputing that at all.
3. I've seen "transition badge" B/O Jazz Fests, yes. The badge sits low on the shell for the reason that has already been identified in this thread. No, I have not seen one in that particular finish....until now. ;)
I think what you have is a special "one-off" kit. It's a Jazzette shell pack with a Jazz Festival snare drum. There are endless theories of what it could be....like, maybe it was someone who worked at a music store and ordered the other drums that way and then installed his/her preference for the Rogers mounts on his/her own....I mean...anything is possible. But, since there is no reference material explaining how/what/when/why the other drums came to be, there really isn't a clear way to identify them with the same type of monikers that Ludwig made up for their reference-able kits. They are just....drums....very cool drums.
