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~1970's Ludwig Black Oyster Pearl Jazzette~ Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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Hello Vintage Drum Forum,

I’m kinda new to VDF. Over the past few years, I have visited this wonderful web site many times without being registered! I kept coming back because, I love the collective knowledge and advice for vintage drums collecting and restoration. I'm now registered so I’ll introduce myself. I’m OSAHEAD2 and I have been enjoying vintage drums for 30 plus years!

I have several other sets but first here is one of my favorite kit, I think VDF readers will enjoy it’s a extremely cool looking Black Oyster Pearl (bowling ball) Ludwig Jazzette Bop Kit. I believe it’s from the early to mid 1970's. I have never tried to restore it after all these years. It’s in its original condition just like I received it the day I got it in 1986 dust balls and all.

At first appearance my Jazzette is very typical. It consists of a 12x18 Bass Drum, 8x12 Mounted Tom, and 14x14 Floor Tom. The shells are the highly desirable 3 ply clear Maple interior with reinforcement rings. The original Black Oyster Pearl wrap is in excellent condition, and nearly unfaded. No extra holes or problems. Bearing edges are original and in excellent condition, all drums are in round and tune up beautifully. The kit is all original, right down to the Ludwig Weathermaster logo heads!

The serial numbers are: * 12x18 Bass Drum – 1029445 * 14x14 Floor Tom – NO serial number* 8 x12 Ride Tom – NO serial number * and a 5x14 8-lug wooden Jazz Fest Snare Drum – NO serial number.

Now here is the bonus history about my kit. The Music store, I got them from back in 1986 told me that this particular Jazzette kit came with some very special extras!

Look real close they are not the same bass drums. So to make a long story short, I will tell you, I also have a very cool matching 14x16 Black Oyster Pearl Bass Drum/ Rogers mount * NO serial number (plus 4 FT legs on it when used as a FT) and another cool Black Oyster Pearl 14x18 Bass Drum/ Rogers mount * No serial number but it does have a very clear date stamp of Oct 1, 1970 plus it came with another Rogers mounted Black Oyster Pearl 8x12 Ride Tom * also with No serial number.

The drum tech told me that Ludwig Research & Development gave the set to Muse Records in early 1971. Muse Records then gave the set to a Muse Record jazz artist who happens to be from my hometown and that’s how they ended up at a local music shop some years later. The drum tech told me Ludwig gave them to Muse Records on a “test basis” to see if the jazz community would adapt to the new color and if jazz drummers wanted a different size Bass Drums to match the many changes in Jazz music when in 1970 jazz was going more and more into fusion. I have no paperwork to back this up but the drums are groovy!

And for all you true Ludwig collectors and fans... Please don’t ask me how in the h*ll did Rogers swiv-o-matic mounts and Slingerland legs find their way onto a Ludwig drum set, because I have no earthly idea.

Q: Why is the 12x18 bass drum the only drum in this grouping that has a serial number (1029445)? I read somewhere on the web that Ludwig did not offer the Jazzette in wraps until 1974? Did Ludwig ever offer a 14x16 or 14x18bass drum? Was this special order only?

~ A true Gretsch & Camco fanatic ~
Posted on 12 years ago
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Nice looking Jazzette. The "proper" snare drum would be a Supraphonic -not a Jazz Fest. So, what you have is a Jazzette shellpack -sans the Supra and hardware.

The story about the other bass drum is an entirely BS story someone told you. It's what we call a "Frankendrum" -meaning that someone took some liberties with some spare parts!

Ludwig made NO catalogued kits with 18 X 14 bass drums. Special order? -possibly. Converted marching bass drum? -VERY likely.

;)

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 12 years ago
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O-Lug,

Thanks for you information. I will confess I'm not a big Ludwig guy... I'm more into Gretsch drums. So your information is very helpful indeed.

A "16" Frankendrum" huh... so that explains the crazy mounts and all. It's funny what local music stores will tell a child to get that sale. Ludwig made 14x16 toms for drum sets and basically this might be one.

And you say the 14x18 might possibly be a marching bass drum (date stamp; Oct 1,1970). There are no extra holes or clips/mounts on the shell. If you are correct and I think you are... then somebody must have grabbed it before it was put into service as a marching bass drum then somebody converted it to a kick drum?

But if this 14x18 is a marching bass drum... is the Blue/Olive pointy badge in the correct place for a marching bass drum OR were the placed more in the middle of the shell? This B/O badge is more near the front hoop like the 12x18 is. Could this also be a Floor Tom? Did Ludwig make a 14x18 FT with large lugs on it...

But what about the 12x18 bass drum. What time frame do you think serial number 1029445 is from?

Again thanks for your information!

~ A true Gretsch & Camco fanatic ~
Posted on 12 years ago
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I can't make any more detailed answers until I can see more detailed pictures.

People did ALL kinds of DIY modifications back then. I have seen MANY 14 X 18 "Jazzette" kits and there was ALWAYS something "funny" about them...as is the case with yours, as well.

The rule of thumb, when considering what came from Ludwig and what didn't is to go by the catalog. That's the general rule of thumb. It's really the only standardized way for nitpicky collectors to all be forced to agree. However, having said that, there are exceptions. Those exceptional sets usually have to have some kind of clear-cut documentation from Ludwig, stating the drums were custom ordered that way, etc.

Ludwig, Rogers and Slingerland were all fierce competitors. There is absolutely NO way that any of them would have incorporated parts from a competitor. The fact, as you state, there are no extra holes -other than those made for a Rogers mount, clearly indicates the drum is altered from it's intended application.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 12 years ago
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Something's fishy about the 12 x 18 badge number (which I can't see). There were no pointy corner badges with numbers that high...unless it's a fake badge.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 12 years ago
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From O-Lugs

Something's fishy about the 12 x 18 badge number (which I can't see). There were no pointy corner badges with numbers that high...unless it's a fake badge.

O-Lugs,

I will post photos showing the pointy B/O badge... as well as the 14 x 18 bass drum. STAND BY.

~ A true Gretsch & Camco fanatic ~
Posted on 12 years ago
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Additional photos of the Ludwig Drums are posted here... ENJOY!

http://s1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag142/Osahead2/

~ A true Gretsch & Camco fanatic ~
Posted on 12 years ago
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Okay...Well, I simply cannot explain the high number on that 12 X 18's badge. Other than that, it appears to be a legit Jazzette bass drum,

HOWEVER, the 14 bass drum is NOT an 18" diameter bass drum! It's a 17" drum! Look at the space between the lugs. It's shorter than the 18's sitting right next to it. I can see from the pictures that it's not 18" in diameter. Tell me I'm wrong! ;)

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm just thinking in type here....but...

Could it possibly be that the 12 X 18 is a NEW Legacy shell with some NOS parts on it and a reissued badge with a super-high number????

See, by the time that Ludwig would have had a badge number that high, the layup of the shells would have been different. Odd.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 12 years ago
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Ok....its NOT a Jazzette by the truest sense of the word according to the catalogs. Call it a custom ordered bebop kit then. Enjoy them, play them, let them collect dust if you so desire.

Cool kit no matter how you look at it.

Posted on 12 years ago
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